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come Blast Off In My Time Machine sir I

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feel like an evizing blast off

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Blast Off on another epic episode of the

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hyper anomalous esoteric research

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organization podcast aka the hero

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paranormal podcast

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broadcasting just south of the old

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Sherman Ranch in the uina Basin of Utah

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my name is Ryan the anomalous ambassador

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of the airwaves bringing you a fantastic

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episode today

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on today's podcast we have the ever

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researcher Explorer and Seer Cheryl Lynn

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Carter she's also a freelance journalist

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Cheryl is a psychic medium a remote

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viewer and one of the founding members

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of project SCI Institute a team of

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psychic and forensic remote viewers to

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472 missing children

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closed over 21 cold cases and shut down

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19 human trafficking rings

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having had her first paranormal

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experience at age four

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helped build the foundation for becoming

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a researcher and an explorer

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Cheryl is an experienced member of mufon

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she is an international author of

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multiple books including but not limited

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to Dimensions mysterious triangles of

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the U.S which we have discussed on the

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podcast before she is also co-author of

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digging into Skinwalker Ranch and

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Skinwalker Ranch the Basin files as well

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as Whispers beyond the grave which we

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are definitely going to touch base on in

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today's podcast

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Cheryl always brings a mystical energy

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to subjects that Intrigue those with

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open minds and I'm very happy to have

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her on the podcast today

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Cheryl welcome to the hero paranormal

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uh it's always fun we we have similar

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things in common and similar viewpoints

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and similar interests so I don't see how

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this can be a Miss it's always a hit

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when you come on and

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um we've had you on the podcast before

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and I'm excited for listeners to hear

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about some of your other books and get

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familiar with how you discovered your

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gift and what motivated you to go down

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the path you're on and if it's okay I'd

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like to read a short snippet a little of

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the introduction of Whispers beyond the

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grave okay once upon a time in a small

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Midwest town this little Brown Eyed Girl

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was born I was just an average child

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with wide-eyed innocence and curiosity

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As I Grew the inquisitiveness expanded

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by Leaps and Bounds but soon I came to

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realize how different I was from the

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it was because this little girl had a

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special secret by no means was it

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something I could share with a friend

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not a chance besides who would ever take

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me seriously would they believe dead

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people spoke to me and I spoke to them

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and so begins my story I think that's so

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epic such a stunning beginning and how'd

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you get familiar with your gift and

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start on the path that you've been on

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well I said the uh the first time I had

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an experience I was four years old

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and you know as a child you don't you

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don't know what this is and I was at my

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aunt's farm and I was upstairs by her

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so I went into the room there were all

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these old Trunks and boxes you know

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little kids like to Snoop around see

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so I went in there and I opened one

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trunk nothing and I saw this other

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ornate

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trunk over in the corner but there was a

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little boy standing behind there and he

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was maybe a couple years older than me

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and I'm thinking why is there a little

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boy in my aunt's attic

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and I looked closer and I could see

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now I'm really confused

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and he reached out his hand to me and

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his hand was really cold and I pulled it

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away and I ran down the stairs and I

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never said anything about it I don't

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probably five years ago I might have

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told her that she had a little boy up in

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her attic

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but just things would start happening as

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I was going along I would I would know

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things were going to happen before they

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happened I would know the phone's going

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to ring before it would ring I knew

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somebody was coming before they knocked

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on the door and we lived with grandma

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and Grandma kind of knew all this stuff

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too so I just figured everybody could do

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this because grandma and I did this all

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but then as I start going to grade

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school I noticed that the other kids

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so I just kind of enjoyed what I had I

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didn't know what this special gift was I

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liked it but I couldn't really talk much

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about it to people because they would

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think I was weird especially when I got

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to high school you know people really

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don't want to talk to me because she

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talks to dead people

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of course now those same people I went

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to high school with want to be my friend

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because they think I'm really cool now

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it is cool and you know your trip to

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your aunt's Farm that's in the book with

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your grandma it's so well written and it

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made me feel like a child again just how

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our senses are magnified at that age and

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can we tell listeners a bit about that

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experience and what you heard swinging

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on that swing I thought that was amazing

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yeah so I my aunt had a had a swing set

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on the farm there and I'm I'm sitting

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out there and I'm I heard a voice

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calling my name it sounded like Grandma

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so I ran in the house and I said what'd

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you want she said I didn't call you

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oh yeah you did no I didn't go go out

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and play on the swing so I went back out

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getting ready to swing again and I heard

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somebody go Cheryl

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okay she called me this time so she ran

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the house she goes I know I said I know

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you call me this time

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no I didn't call you and my aunt said oh

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you know sometimes the wind out on the

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farm makes sounds and you think it's a

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and it was until years later that I

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realized who this voice was

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it was my great grandmother speaking to

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me from the grave

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I had never met that woman she died in

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wow and you know in reading your book

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and actually all of your books it seems

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you've always been interested in story

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books and a bit of a reader have there

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been any books that you read that really

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made an impression on you as a child

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there was brought me so many different

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books but it was nothing on the subject

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like this but I think that the stuff

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that that really got me interested in

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weird strange things was my my father

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it was called Popular Mechanics and in

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the back of Popular Mechanics they had

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stories about UFOs

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so here I was a kid in grade school

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reading reading about UFOs and I wanted

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to learn about this and then I read

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something about Stonehenge and I said

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well these are really cool things but

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I'm the weird little girl because the

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other girls aren't thinking about stuff

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and that it it kind of is it's it's

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tough as a kid especially having that

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gift what had literally you know started

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as an innocent trip to your aunt's Farm

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quite literally ended up kind of robbing

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you of your innocence in a way as a kid

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how did that lead your mind into

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understanding that there was more to

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well because I said there there were

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just Spirits talking to me all the time

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why are you talking to a child I

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remember I would go to bed at night this

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is just the worst part I would go to bed

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at night and

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they'd be flying over my bed and and

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reaching down into my face looking at me

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I don't know why they scare little kids

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like that and they were just always

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around my bed

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and so I would always make sure that I

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slept in the middle of the bed because I

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I thought of my my armor my foot was

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close to the edge of the bed something

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underneath there would grab it I just

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always thought there was all kinds of

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and I I don't I don't know why but I was

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starting as I got a little bit older I

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was starting to enjoy that

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something was telling me their story

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something was letting me know what was

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I just really start embracing it by the

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time I got to high school and there was

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that you may have uh in the book that

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you believed at times that you may have

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inherited your gift from your grandma in

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your estimations to these sorts of gifts

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tend to stick to family lines and be

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that that's what I've read a lot about

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this yes it will come down through the

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family line you know so my mother

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I know my mother had it because you

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can't miss a generation but she never

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wanted to talk about this stuff she said

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it was bad luck to talk about the dead

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people and also we never talked about it

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but I know Grandma had it

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and of course great grandma who talked

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to me had it and then I learned that it

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came from her father who was a medicine

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man at one time so yes it does come down

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the family line

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yeah it does seem that way and there's

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an experience

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you've had where you felt

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like a hand grab your wrist like an

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invisible hand grab your wrist and set

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it down on the paper and I've had a

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similar yet different experience

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what was the hand like was it cold did

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it shock you and what exactly did you

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think what do you think those moments

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well that I think that's called

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automatic writing where somebody is

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writing through where you're writing

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through someone's directing you yeah it

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did it wasn't a cold hand it just felt

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like a hand had a hole in my wrist

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and I I think my my uh my darkness books

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where I I write um

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some short stories like Stephen King's

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stories I swear someone was directing me

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to write those stories

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glad you mentioned Stephen King that's

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really interesting I was friends close

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friends with a friend of Stephen King's

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son and we used to go skiing all the

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time and he would tell me he was from

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Maine and he would tell me that when

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Stephen would have these moments where

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he knew he had to write he would ask his

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family to leave him alone and he would

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lock himself in a room for literally

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like a week at a time and I think you're

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right I think that sometimes those

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things

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come to fruition in a way where you know

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it is like you said automatic writing or

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possibly channeled

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the one the one book I wrote four

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stories in two days it was just coming

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it was just coming to me

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and I had I had to say Eric stop

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everything because I have to write this

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down right now

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and I didn't have to do a whole lot of

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editing to my story because it was

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I find that so amazing you hear you hear

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authors say that sometimes you hear

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musicians say that you know that these

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these whole songs or whole books will

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come to them all at once I just think

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it's so fascinating that this can be

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transferred kind of Beyond the Veil

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right and I don't I don't know who was

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directing me to write those stories

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that's that's a good question I don't

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know who that was

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it's great it's I I believe at times

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these things happen and you know there's

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there's a lot of opinions out there but

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it's a definitely a different experience

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when ideas come and you don't know where

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they come from a lot of people often you

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know talk about a collective

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Consciousness but I think at times that

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could also be sort of something behind

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the veil just peering through and

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there's a instance in the book that is

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so fascinating to me and it's the

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deranged uh flame scenario where it was

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quite like a display of spiritual

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electricity or enthusiasm

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um and kind of described like a light

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show of sorts can you tell listeners

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about this fantastic experience and what

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happened when you when you reached out

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yeah just I like to light candles when

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I'm writing no no particular kind I just

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I like to look at the flame and stuff

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and this one day this one was just like

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a Bunsen burner I can't explain it any

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other way it was just going crazy

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and I go what what is this and usually

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it's like somebody's

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trying to come through give you a

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message or somebody's trying to protect

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you or something like that and

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I was really worried about the candle

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but then after I looked at the wax how

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it melted

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I go well that's looks like it formed a

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so it was somebody telling me something

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so I

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held the dish over to look at it and it

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looks like a a woman holding a baby

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and I said oh that can't be and then I

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heard great grandma say yeah that's me

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holding you I was there the day you were

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born

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we are back with Cheryl

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okay Cheryl a wonderful example of how

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we do get these glimmers Beyond the Veil

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and there's another wonderful example

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outlined in Whispers

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um the in your book about an experience

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with a psychic named Jeff

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basically what he saw standing at your

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side can we explain to listeners

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what these apparitions can be from time

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to time and some of the background

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information and synchronicities which

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took place on 829 I thought that was a

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great uh scenario

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that's the that's the um I was trying to

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write a check one day and the this hand

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was holding on to me and it kept writing

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8 29 and I said it's that's the future

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that's I can't write a check for the

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future

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but that day I was going over to my

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friend's store

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she had um some metaphysical store she

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had lots of candles and lots of just

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cool stuff there and I went in there to

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look for candles like I need more

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candles but yeah you can never have

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enough

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and I I heard some people talking

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about a reading that they had just had

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with this man

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and I you know I never had I think I

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only had my friend Tony do readings for

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me I'd never had anybody else and I

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didn't go there for that purpose

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but something told me I needed to go

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so I went up to him and I said oh could

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you do a reading for me today

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and he says oh I'm not I'm not really

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working today you know and and Sherry

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comes up to me the owners says we can

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get to somebody else you know he's just

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his day off and he goes no I think I

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need to do this so he knew

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so we did sit down and he starts talking

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about this woman that was standing next

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to me and I said oh that's my Grandma

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she's always around me

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and he starts describing her

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and he says well she's got

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dark hair

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kind of looks like you and she's she's

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younger

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and I know that doesn't sound like my

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grandma

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I think of somebody a little bit older

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like a Next Generation now I didn't know

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about Great Grandma at that time

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and he says

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and she speaks with an accent and I said

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my grandma didn't have an accent

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these are a Polish accent and I said

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really you know that's how I got

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that was the first time she had been

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around me all this time talking to me

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but I didn't know who I was talking to

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so that really opened the door for her

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saying this is me

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and then she started telling me that she

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wanted yellow flowers on her grave in

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Illinois so I I drove all the way to

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Illinois to put flowers on her grave

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and she she talks to me every day

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nothing really spectacular

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I really liked

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literary way that you kind of took

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people there like I felt like I was in

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Sherry's shop and I I kind of have that

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same my family makes fun of me my

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in-laws Etc you know when we go buy

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candle shops they're like oh yeah you

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know that's that's we we know we can get

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something for Ryan in there because you

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know

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it's interesting I did feel like I was

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at Sherry's shop and for those who don't

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believe in these psychic moments

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um I had a very interesting you know my

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wife is completely I'll just call her a

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normie she just does you know she leaves

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this woo-woo stuff to me because she

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knows I 100 believe in it and we went to

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a interesting kind of a very vegasy

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materialistic food and wine Exposition

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down on the Strip when we were dating

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and for fun we saw a psychic there they

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kind of had set up booths of different

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you know know different things and one

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of them happened to be a psychic and I

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really wish I would have got This

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Woman's information

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because

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I paid for my wife to get a psychic

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reading and this woman was so accurate

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she said at the time we were just dating

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nothing else and she said within a month

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you guys are going to move in together

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you guys are going to have two kids down

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the road

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and you guys are uh basically it went

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into even more detail

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and you know at the time I thought this

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is madness and so did she she's like

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this is way off right well lo and behold

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her landlord was uh in the midst of a

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foreclosure that she was unaware of

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she had to leave that house and we

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purchased a house we moved into it crazy

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the scenario and it just goes to show no

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matter how crazy it sounded at the

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moment it's exactly what transpired we

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have two kids everything this woman said

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was 100 on point

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it just blew me away it just you know

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it's as if she saw the schedule you know

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of our lives uh before her eyes and at

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the time I just thought it was total uh

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total BS to be honest with you so I

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thought it was way out in left field and

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only later did I realize these

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synchronicities

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are very real and when you have somebody

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that is literally a medium between

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yourself and what's being viewed this

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can uh offer a lot more Crystal Clear

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scenario of what's taking place a lot of

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like a lot I I I think it's a lot akin

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to when you're in a dilemma and you have

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you ask for somebody else's opinion of

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the situation them being outside of the

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situation they get a much clearer view

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of what's going on and they tell you

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this

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um let's get into something kind of

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along these lines Cheryl which is auras

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and a lot of folks delve very deeply

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into this study and it has become a bit

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of a fringe science so to speak you

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partook in a yoga experience where you

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encountered well someone else

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encountered in a way aura's first hand

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and you have felt these energies sort of

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enter your body for a lack of a better

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word and others have as well what is the

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feeling or sensation one feels when this

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takes place and can we go into a bit

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more about but uh what transpired during

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we're just all about six of us you're

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having a good time and at the end he

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says who wants to have me read their

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Aura and I go wow that sounds cool okay

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so I got up against the white wall and

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he's looking he goes I can see the aura

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around you you know what color it is and

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then he says

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and there's a there's a woman standing

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on your right side now I knew that was

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great grandma now

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and I says yeah and he starts describing

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her and he says um

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she she likes to bake

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and

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she likes her favorite cookie jar

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well first he said she likes to cook and

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and I heard her say I like to bake and

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then he says she has her favorite cookie

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jar

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and then all of a sudden I felt her

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I don't want to say jump into me she

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slid into me I've seen people get jumped

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it didn't look like that she slid into

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me

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and he says oh my gosh your face is

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changing it's changing and in her face

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and he goes oh my gosh what's happening

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everybody in the room's just sitting

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there staring at him and I'm trying not

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to move or say anything you know because

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I don't I don't know what I wish I could

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see what what they were seeing and then

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she jumped out again he goes oh now

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she's gone and I heard her giggling and

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she jumped back and now she's back in

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she was jumping back and forth playing

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with him

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this she's never jumped into my body

552
00:24:25,370 --> 00:24:23,940
before except for that time

553
00:24:28,430 --> 00:24:25,380
because she thought I guess it would be

554
00:24:31,610 --> 00:24:28,440
funny to play a trick on Bo I don't know

555
00:24:34,190 --> 00:24:31,620
but it didn't feel weird to me

556
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:34,200
like I've seen something jump into my

557
00:24:38,450 --> 00:24:35,520
friends and

558
00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:38,460
they like lose Consciousness for a few

559
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:40,440
minutes it's not even them anymore I

560
00:24:45,169 --> 00:24:43,440
didn't feel like she took over me

561
00:24:47,149 --> 00:24:45,179
I was still very well aware of

562
00:24:49,850 --> 00:24:47,159
everything going around me

563
00:24:52,250 --> 00:24:49,860
so this was a a different thing

564
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,260
and it does seem like those those

565
00:24:56,810 --> 00:24:54,480
moments where you hear the scenario of

566
00:24:58,669 --> 00:24:56,820
the jumping into it it does seem a

567
00:25:00,289 --> 00:24:58,679
little more catastrophic right like a

568
00:25:01,549 --> 00:25:00,299
little more shocking

569
00:25:06,049 --> 00:25:01,559
yeah

570
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:06,059
got I saw the Spirit jump into him and

571
00:25:11,810 --> 00:25:08,640
his eyes turned black it wasn't even him

572
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:11,820
anymore it was something else

573
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,640
there's a lot of a lot a lot of stuff we

574
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:16,559
can delve into there's a lot of a lot to

575
00:25:20,890 --> 00:25:18,720
unpack in this book and I can't

576
00:25:25,490 --> 00:25:20,900
recommend enough that people read this

577
00:25:28,850 --> 00:25:25,500
uh there's a scenario during a nursing

578
00:25:30,890 --> 00:25:28,860
uh Endeavor that you encountered some

579
00:25:33,529 --> 00:25:30,900
amazing things can we tell listeners

580
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:33,539
about what you believe to be somewhat of

581
00:25:38,990 --> 00:25:35,520
an angel of death with wings that you

582
00:25:41,570 --> 00:25:39,000
encountered and go a bit into the Troy

583
00:25:44,090 --> 00:25:41,580
Grove which is a big thing and how

584
00:25:46,130 --> 00:25:44,100
things sometimes happen precisely the

585
00:25:49,070 --> 00:25:46,140
way they're supposed to happen or you

586
00:25:51,649 --> 00:25:49,080
know synchronistically mm-hmm

587
00:25:53,390 --> 00:25:51,659
yes I want to talk about the the nursing

588
00:25:56,269 --> 00:25:53,400
home because

589
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:56,279
a few years ago in haunted hospital was

590
00:26:00,350 --> 00:25:59,039
out someone approached me to to tell my

591
00:26:02,149 --> 00:26:00,360
story and

592
00:26:03,649 --> 00:26:02,159
they didn't want my story for the show

593
00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:03,659
because they said it wasn't dark enough

594
00:26:09,890 --> 00:26:07,320
so whatever oh my God this is not a dark

595
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:09,900
story it's it's a beautiful story and

596
00:26:12,649 --> 00:26:11,520
they wanted demons

597
00:26:17,930 --> 00:26:12,659
so

598
00:26:20,210 --> 00:26:17,940
our clinicals at this place

599
00:26:22,669 --> 00:26:20,220
and we had to keep checking on This

600
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,679
Woman's blood pressure because they

601
00:26:26,510 --> 00:26:24,720
could tell she was dying soon we're

602
00:26:28,190 --> 00:26:26,520
checking to see how her lower blood

603
00:26:30,409 --> 00:26:28,200
pressure was going

604
00:26:31,789 --> 00:26:30,419
and he says well she doesn't have any

605
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:31,799
family

606
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:33,600
she's just all alone here no one ever

607
00:26:38,210 --> 00:26:34,799
visits her

608
00:26:41,330 --> 00:26:38,220
so we're walking over to her room

609
00:26:43,370 --> 00:26:41,340
and I hear her talking to somebody

610
00:26:44,210 --> 00:26:43,380
I said well look at she's got a visitor

611
00:26:46,970 --> 00:26:44,220
today

612
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:46,980
and we looked in and oh there's nobody

613
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:49,679
there and I heard her saying no no no

614
00:26:56,330 --> 00:26:53,039
and I go who is she talking to and we

615
00:27:00,590 --> 00:26:56,340
walked in and they're at the side of her

616
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:00,600
bed was the seven foot tall angel

617
00:27:05,930 --> 00:27:03,120
with the wings I could see all the

618
00:27:07,850 --> 00:27:05,940
feathers I kid you not it was there a

619
00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:07,860
glowing light around it

620
00:27:13,310 --> 00:27:10,200
and I'm nudging the person next to me I

621
00:27:14,930 --> 00:27:13,320
go do you see that do you see that what

622
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:14,940
you don't see that no I don't see

623
00:27:20,510 --> 00:27:16,320
anything else you don't see the angel

624
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:20,520
over there no so only I saw it

625
00:27:25,130 --> 00:27:22,320
and I looked at the angel and I said

626
00:27:27,470 --> 00:27:25,140
it's time isn't it and the angel

627
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:27,480
bowed their hand little tear ran down

628
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:32,750
but you know the haunted hospital didn't

629
00:27:36,409 --> 00:27:34,080
want that story

630
00:27:38,390 --> 00:27:36,419
because when I told them the story they

631
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:38,400
they kept trying to get me to embellish

632
00:27:44,210 --> 00:27:41,520
it make it darker and darker

633
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,220
and I I wouldn't sell out for my 10

634
00:27:51,409 --> 00:27:46,559
minutes of fame on TV now

635
00:27:57,169 --> 00:27:54,590
yeah and you know I feel that death is

636
00:27:59,690 --> 00:27:57,179
not always as ugly as a lot of people

637
00:28:03,850 --> 00:27:59,700
make it out to be in I think maybe

638
00:28:06,289 --> 00:28:03,860
that's just because Society has somewhat

639
00:28:09,049 --> 00:28:06,299
programmed us to

640
00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:09,059
not deal with death much you know I feel

641
00:28:13,250 --> 00:28:11,220
like indigenous

642
00:28:15,890 --> 00:28:13,260
cultures

643
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:15,900
deal with it a lot better because it's a

644
00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:18,720
reality of theirs and you know it's so

645
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,960
sanitized in in Western Society

646
00:28:25,610 --> 00:28:23,760
death is something you don't talk about

647
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:25,620
it's not something you really have to

648
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:29,279
deal with it happens and they whisk the

649
00:28:34,430 --> 00:28:32,159
body off and it goes to the funeral

650
00:28:37,970 --> 00:28:34,440
parlor and you don't have to deal with

651
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:37,980
it and and this was just not the case uh

652
00:28:44,570 --> 00:28:40,880
when it came to humans you know in more

653
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:44,580
primitive times and historically I think

654
00:28:48,890 --> 00:28:47,039
the more that death is incorporated or

655
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:48,900
believed that it's just a part of life

656
00:28:54,409 --> 00:28:52,080
the less the less power it has over us

657
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:54,419
and the less daunting it is because it's

658
00:29:00,110 --> 00:28:57,600
just part of reality and I I thought

659
00:29:01,370 --> 00:29:00,120
that was just an absolutely amazing

660
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:01,380
encounter

661
00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:04,799
and your book goes into a lot of those I

662
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:08,460
want to delve into a little bit into

663
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:11,760
Troy Grove can we go into that and

664
00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:15,120
explain to listeners how that encounter

665
00:29:21,470 --> 00:29:19,260
sort of uh led into Troy Grove and what

666
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:21,480
an amazing experience that turned out to

667
00:29:32,210 --> 00:29:29,090
audience went on and on for months just

668
00:29:34,430 --> 00:29:32,220
the the words in my head Troy Troy Grove

669
00:29:37,310 --> 00:29:34,440
what did that mean

670
00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:37,320
and so one day I'm I'm driving down the

671
00:29:42,350 --> 00:29:40,260
road and I'm going past a cemetery in

672
00:29:44,750 --> 00:29:42,360
town and I saw all these beautiful

673
00:29:46,909 --> 00:29:44,760
yellow flowers over there

674
00:29:49,310 --> 00:29:46,919
and I Heard a Voice say I'd like some

675
00:29:51,049 --> 00:29:49,320
yellow flowers on My Grave now I knew

676
00:29:53,149 --> 00:29:51,059
that was great grandma and I says okay

677
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:53,159
I'll go out I have to go to Illinois and

678
00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:54,720
we'll get you some yellow flowers and

679
00:29:58,669 --> 00:29:56,460
put them on your grave

680
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:58,679
so then on my way back I go past the

681
00:30:02,750 --> 00:30:00,240
cemetery again

682
00:30:06,409 --> 00:30:02,760
and I heard the voice I'd like yellow

683
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:06,419
flowers on My Grave too but it's lost

684
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:09,120
and I said and it's like they talk to me

685
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,799
like they're in the back seat of my car

686
00:30:14,570 --> 00:30:12,960
when I'm driving it's so weird

687
00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:14,580
and

688
00:30:18,409 --> 00:30:16,860
I said well you I just told you I'm

689
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:18,419
coming to the cemetery and I thought

690
00:30:22,370 --> 00:30:19,679
well

691
00:30:23,690 --> 00:30:22,380
who said that who said that so then I

692
00:30:25,850 --> 00:30:23,700
get home

693
00:30:27,950 --> 00:30:25,860
and now I'm trying to do something on

694
00:30:28,669 --> 00:30:27,960
the computer and I'm I'm hearing in my

695
00:30:33,169 --> 00:30:28,679
head

696
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:33,179
Troy Grove Troy Grove what's that mean

697
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,000
okay I'm in Michigan that that's a place

698
00:30:40,010 --> 00:30:38,399
in Illinois where I grew up okay what

699
00:30:42,289 --> 00:30:40,020
does that mean

700
00:30:44,990 --> 00:30:42,299
so I asked my sister

701
00:30:47,389 --> 00:30:45,000
you got any relatives in Troy Grove no

702
00:30:49,610 --> 00:30:47,399
and I said why am I thinking about this

703
00:30:51,710 --> 00:30:49,620
why am I thinking about this

704
00:30:54,049 --> 00:30:51,720
and then I kept hearing

705
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,059
I want yellow flowers on my grave but

706
00:30:59,149 --> 00:30:56,640
it's lost I go oh my gosh

707
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,159
and this just went on for weeks and

708
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:01,200
weeks and weeks

709
00:31:07,730 --> 00:31:04,799
and then I started seeing pictures

710
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:07,740
some Spirits speak to you in words some

711
00:31:11,930 --> 00:31:10,080
show you pictures some show you like

712
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:11,940
little movies they're all different

713
00:31:17,810 --> 00:31:14,880
everything isn't exactly the thing this

714
00:31:20,690 --> 00:31:17,820
person like to show me pictures

715
00:31:22,610 --> 00:31:20,700
and she starts showing me an old

716
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:22,620
graveyard

717
00:31:29,510 --> 00:31:26,159
Stone's all crumpled and falling apart

718
00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:29,520
and there was a big tree

719
00:31:35,690 --> 00:31:31,980
and next to the tree there was a a

720
00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:35,700
little square wrought iron fence

721
00:31:43,010 --> 00:31:40,020
that um was enclosed to old old uh stats

722
00:31:45,049 --> 00:31:43,020
uh stones that had fallen down

723
00:31:46,970 --> 00:31:45,059
and I go what are you showing what are

724
00:31:48,889 --> 00:31:46,980
you showing me and then I kept hearing

725
00:31:50,210 --> 00:31:48,899
Troy Grove before I drove I thought what

726
00:31:53,389 --> 00:31:50,220
is this

727
00:31:55,690 --> 00:31:53,399
so I Googled all the cemeteries in

728
00:31:58,669 --> 00:31:55,700
Illinois what are cemeteries in Illinois

729
00:32:00,590 --> 00:31:58,679
and darn there's Troy Grove

730
00:32:03,529 --> 00:32:00,600
so I looked and I had a few pictures

731
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:03,539
from the cemetery and I looked and there

732
00:32:07,789 --> 00:32:06,480
is that little fenced-in area that she

733
00:32:11,210 --> 00:32:07,799
was showing me

734
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:11,220
I go oh my gosh what's going on

735
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,640
so I go who the heck is talking to me

736
00:32:19,970 --> 00:32:17,279
so I have been working on my family tree

737
00:32:21,409 --> 00:32:19,980
at that time I says okay let me pull

738
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:21,419
that out again

739
00:32:25,850 --> 00:32:24,000
and I opened it up and I had one little

740
00:32:28,130 --> 00:32:25,860
piece of paper for my grandma who had

741
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,140
some names listed about you know

742
00:32:33,049 --> 00:32:30,960
different people that I didn't even know

743
00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:33,059
and I looked

744
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:35,340
and there was

745
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:38,159
a girl that was 14 years old

746
00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:40,799
and she died in a fire and she was

747
00:32:46,010 --> 00:32:43,260
buried in Troy Grove

748
00:32:47,330 --> 00:32:46,020
and her grave is unmarked and I go oh my

749
00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:47,340
gosh

750
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,020
here we are

751
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:51,360
and just by chance her name had to be

752
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:57,470
so I had to go back with my sister

753
00:33:03,289 --> 00:33:00,960
to this old Cemetery it was a creepy

754
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:03,299
place my gosh I I don't even remember

755
00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:05,039
that it was there it was just right

756
00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:08,340
across the overpass by my house where I

757
00:33:12,289 --> 00:33:10,020
grew up I didn't even know there was a

758
00:33:15,409 --> 00:33:12,299
cemetery there the whole time

759
00:33:16,970 --> 00:33:15,419
and it was it was an old cemetery on the

760
00:33:20,029 --> 00:33:16,980
right hand side and on the left hand

761
00:33:22,850 --> 00:33:20,039
side was was the newer part but it was

762
00:33:24,649 --> 00:33:22,860
just creepy it was all these trees

763
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,659
surrounded it like a fortress when you

764
00:33:29,450 --> 00:33:26,880
were in there it was like you're cut off

765
00:33:31,970 --> 00:33:29,460
from the rest of the world

766
00:33:33,409 --> 00:33:31,980
and so we're looking around my sister

767
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:33,419
said well let's let's see look at the

768
00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:36,000
names here I said no no I said she says

769
00:33:39,889 --> 00:33:37,860
her grave is lost there can't be a

770
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:39,899
marker there can't be a marker

771
00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:42,000
so I I took my pendulum and I start

772
00:33:46,669 --> 00:33:43,980
walking around maybe pendulum is

773
00:33:50,269 --> 00:33:46,679
supposed to help you find things

774
00:33:51,289 --> 00:33:50,279
so I saw there's the enclosure I says oh

775
00:33:53,810 --> 00:33:51,299
my gosh

776
00:33:56,269 --> 00:33:53,820
there's there's the enclosure

777
00:33:58,370 --> 00:33:56,279
and I looked at the names on the two

778
00:34:00,830 --> 00:33:58,380
stones that were there

779
00:34:02,509 --> 00:34:00,840
and it was one of the little girls that

780
00:34:04,970 --> 00:34:02,519
used to talk to me when I was a little

781
00:34:08,750 --> 00:34:07,009
I put the house across the street she

782
00:34:10,490 --> 00:34:08,760
had died when she was eight that was her

783
00:34:14,510 --> 00:34:10,500
grave right there

784
00:34:16,250 --> 00:34:14,520
okay this isn't creepy at all so

785
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:16,260
I start walking

786
00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:18,480
and all of a sudden the chancellor says

787
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:20,460
now tell me when to stop

788
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:21,839
I start going

789
00:34:30,050 --> 00:34:25,679
left oh stop okay turn around

790
00:34:32,329 --> 00:34:30,060
go forward nope okay go back go right

791
00:34:34,369 --> 00:34:32,339
okay now am I standing on the spot and

792
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:34,379
the Pendulum is just swirling I said so

793
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:36,240
now I'm standing where your grave is

794
00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:37,919
right okay

795
00:34:41,570 --> 00:34:39,540
so

796
00:34:43,310 --> 00:34:41,580
the next day I went out there by myself

797
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:43,320
and now it's even creepier because

798
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:45,119
you're out there by yourself

799
00:34:48,409 --> 00:34:46,800
and

800
00:34:50,510 --> 00:34:48,419
I saw somebody out of the corner of my

801
00:34:53,329 --> 00:34:50,520
eye oh I saw two women with a long

802
00:34:54,829 --> 00:34:53,339
skirts on it oh good I'm not alone good

803
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:54,839
so I looked around where's their car

804
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,119
there was no car and then they weren't

805
00:35:02,270 --> 00:34:59,760
there either I said oh okay

806
00:35:03,650 --> 00:35:02,280
so you know as I would go there from

807
00:35:05,930 --> 00:35:03,660
time to time I would notice this

808
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:05,940
cemetery is very haunted

809
00:35:11,150 --> 00:35:08,520
so I went over and I put the flowers

810
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,160
down in the spot that she thought was

811
00:35:15,950 --> 00:35:13,680
her grave and I put my recorder down and

812
00:35:16,910 --> 00:35:15,960
I says all right I think this is the

813
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:16,920
spot

814
00:35:21,710 --> 00:35:18,960
where your grave is could you speak into

815
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:21,720
this little box and let me know

816
00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:24,240
and I played it back and she said I love

817
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:26,040
you I'll tell you this spot has my

818
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:32,390
now she knew she said history because

819
00:35:44,089 --> 00:35:42,109
man that is so interesting and I I think

820
00:35:46,250 --> 00:35:44,099
it's so fascinating with cemeteries

821
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:46,260
let's get into those a bit because

822
00:35:52,569 --> 00:35:50,160
I found it super super neat that you

823
00:35:55,730 --> 00:35:52,579
mentioned you came across the Illinois

824
00:35:58,490 --> 00:35:55,740
haunted cemetery list and how you

825
00:36:01,790 --> 00:35:58,500
visited some of these and can we go into

826
00:36:04,430 --> 00:36:01,800
the Massac cemetery and the Bachelor's

827
00:36:05,450 --> 00:36:04,440
Grove Cemetery a bit Switching gears a

828
00:36:06,770 --> 00:36:05,460
little

829
00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:06,780
yeah

830
00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:18,410
it that was over by a Spring Valley and

831
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:21,000
this is the funny part I had to park out

832
00:36:24,650 --> 00:36:22,800
on the road because there

833
00:36:26,690 --> 00:36:24,660
it's it's just out in the middle of

834
00:36:28,849 --> 00:36:26,700
nowhere so I had to park on the side of

835
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:28,859
the road and my sister and I walked

836
00:36:33,470 --> 00:36:31,680
inside and I turned around I go oh wait

837
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:33,480
a minute I saw a police car behind my

838
00:36:36,530 --> 00:36:34,680
truck

839
00:36:38,810 --> 00:36:36,540
and I go uh oh

840
00:36:41,390 --> 00:36:38,820
well in in Michigan we only have one

841
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,400
license plate on our vehicles

842
00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:43,680
some states have TWO I only we only had

843
00:36:48,530 --> 00:36:44,700
one

844
00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:48,540
vehicle because he didn't see a license

845
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:50,700
plate on it and I went out I go it's on

846
00:36:55,069 --> 00:36:53,040
the other side you know she's checking

847
00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:55,079
me all out I'm all nervous going oh my

848
00:36:59,150 --> 00:36:56,700
gosh I didn't do anything wrong can I

849
00:37:01,069 --> 00:36:59,160
park here yeah yeah yeah

850
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,079
what you're doing here I'm going into

851
00:37:04,370 --> 00:37:02,880
the cemetery there you ever been in

852
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:04,380
there goes you wouldn't get me in there

853
00:37:09,650 --> 00:37:07,680
no way I'm going there so he knew

854
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,660
so we went in there and there weren't

855
00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:11,520
too many markers left it was another

856
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:13,140
abandoned

857
00:37:19,370 --> 00:37:16,320
ransacked Cemetery but there's a one

858
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,380
Mausoleum called you know the messic

859
00:37:23,630 --> 00:37:21,359
and supposedly

860
00:37:26,510 --> 00:37:23,640
one of the it was three brothers I think

861
00:37:29,930 --> 00:37:26,520
and one of the brothers The Story Goes

862
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:29,940
is he killed his wife with an ax and he

863
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:31,920
buried her under the porch

864
00:37:36,890 --> 00:37:34,079
or maybe it was one of the groundskeeper

865
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:36,900
but there's something active around

866
00:37:40,730 --> 00:37:39,119
this mausoleum

867
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,740
and if you touch the door of the

868
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,960
mausoleum it's really hot

869
00:37:47,210 --> 00:37:45,119
now it's it's all cement if you touch

870
00:37:50,210 --> 00:37:47,220
the sides they're they're cold the door

871
00:37:53,210 --> 00:37:50,220
is really hot I don't know why

872
00:37:55,490 --> 00:37:53,220
and I was talking to something

873
00:37:56,810 --> 00:37:55,500
I was getting stuff back on my recorder

874
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:56,820
and it

875
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:59,040
It was friendly it knew my ass I said

876
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:00,720
you know this family name I knew my

877
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,400
family name

878
00:38:06,170 --> 00:38:04,560
which was weird or it could be just

879
00:38:07,790 --> 00:38:06,180
saying that I don't know

880
00:38:09,290 --> 00:38:07,800
so then there's like a little vent in

881
00:38:10,490 --> 00:38:09,300
the mausoleum so I went over to see what

882
00:38:12,170 --> 00:38:10,500
was in there I heard something growling

883
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:12,180
at me I said okay that's enough for

884
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:19,550
man in cemeteries have that they have

885
00:38:24,410 --> 00:38:22,079
that about them and I also wanted to

886
00:38:26,030 --> 00:38:24,420
kind of switch gears to the you in a

887
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,040
basin and discuss what you've heard

888
00:38:31,010 --> 00:38:28,560
about cemeteries there and as many know

889
00:38:33,290 --> 00:38:31,020
you are co-author of digging into

890
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:33,300
Skinwalker Ranch

891
00:38:38,270 --> 00:38:36,480
um where I make an unnamed Cameo as the

892
00:38:41,470 --> 00:38:38,280
other investigator who escaped the

893
00:38:43,790 --> 00:38:41,480
guards but also co-author

894
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:43,800
but you're also co-authored to

895
00:38:50,450 --> 00:38:46,500
Skinwalker Ranch the Basin files which

896
00:38:53,050 --> 00:38:50,460
delves deeply into many of the sightings

897
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:53,060
found in Frank salisbury's famous book

898
00:38:59,690 --> 00:38:56,400
the Utah UFO display among many other

899
00:39:02,450 --> 00:38:59,700
reports by mufon and others and that

900
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:02,460
book goes and I believe does a great job

901
00:39:07,370 --> 00:39:04,800
into going into detail about bottle

902
00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:07,380
Hollow reservoir which happens to have a

903
00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:08,280
fairly

904
00:39:13,730 --> 00:39:10,859
close proximity to the Fort Duchesne

905
00:39:16,670 --> 00:39:13,740
Cemetery have you heard any stories

906
00:39:19,550 --> 00:39:16,680
about the Fort Duchesne Cemetery or any

907
00:39:22,210 --> 00:39:19,560
of the nearby cemeteries and do you

908
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,220
think that some of the purported UFO

909
00:39:27,410 --> 00:39:24,480
sightings over cemeteries maybe

910
00:39:29,470 --> 00:39:27,420
something spiritually related at times I

911
00:39:32,210 --> 00:39:29,480
know Native Americans often call

912
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:32,220
low-flying Bright lit orbs ghost lights

913
00:39:38,750 --> 00:39:35,040
and can we go into your opinions of what

914
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:38,760
folks might be seeing within the basin

915
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:41,040
see that I've never been in to a

916
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,680
cemetery in the basin I didn't think

917
00:39:47,089 --> 00:39:45,359
about that when I was just there a few

918
00:39:49,730 --> 00:39:47,099
weeks ago I should have visited a few of

919
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:49,740
them that would have been interesting

920
00:39:54,109 --> 00:39:52,079
but I think I think UFOs could just be

921
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,119
anywhere I don't think they necessarily

922
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,400
would be around cemeteries

923
00:40:01,130 --> 00:39:58,320
probably nothing though that they would

924
00:40:04,130 --> 00:40:01,140
be interested in but mostly cemeteries

925
00:40:07,310 --> 00:40:04,140
just there's just a lot of spirits that

926
00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:07,320
are still wandering

927
00:40:12,170 --> 00:40:10,200
some some like it there some maybe

928
00:40:14,690 --> 00:40:12,180
they're lost I'm not sure why they're

929
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:14,700
always there but that's why I like to go

930
00:40:19,130 --> 00:40:17,520
to really old cemeteries that's where I

931
00:40:21,290 --> 00:40:19,140
like to drive when I'm going somewhere

932
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,300
because I stop at Old cemeteries because

933
00:40:27,950 --> 00:40:23,760
there's always somebody there that wants

934
00:40:33,770 --> 00:40:30,770
you know that is so interesting because

935
00:40:37,310 --> 00:40:33,780
my parents I guess I was a little bit of

936
00:40:39,290 --> 00:40:37,320
a strange child as well I my parents

937
00:40:42,109 --> 00:40:39,300
said that whenever I would go to or

938
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,119
drive past cemeteries as a kid and I do

939
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,160
remember this I would ask them to stop

940
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,800
and I would want to go into the

941
00:40:52,010 --> 00:40:48,000
cemeteries

942
00:40:53,930 --> 00:40:52,020
and walk around and I found the

943
00:40:56,569 --> 00:40:53,940
mesmerizing and my parents thought this

944
00:40:59,089 --> 00:40:56,579
was super creepy which I guess as a

945
00:41:02,390 --> 00:40:59,099
parent now I kind of can understand that

946
00:41:04,609 --> 00:41:02,400
but at the time as a kid they just

947
00:41:08,450 --> 00:41:04,619
seemed super peaceful to me and I was

948
00:41:10,250 --> 00:41:08,460
like in awe and amazed at the amount and

949
00:41:13,130 --> 00:41:10,260
I think this is something we lose as

950
00:41:14,810 --> 00:41:13,140
adults you know you go by a cemetery and

951
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:14,820
I mean just look at how many grave

952
00:41:20,089 --> 00:41:16,740
markers there are those are all lives

953
00:41:22,849 --> 00:41:20,099
that were lived and it's fascinating and

954
00:41:24,829 --> 00:41:22,859
as a kid I was always super fascinated

955
00:41:27,710 --> 00:41:24,839
by that

956
00:41:30,589 --> 00:41:27,720
um sorry to get off topic but one of one

957
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,599
of my favorite cases in uh in in the

958
00:41:35,810 --> 00:41:32,880
book Skinwalker Ranch the Basin files

959
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:35,820
was and you go into a lot of these but

960
00:41:41,690 --> 00:41:38,640
there was one mufon case and I believe

961
00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:41,700
it was back in 2013 which happened in

962
00:41:47,569 --> 00:41:45,780
Vernal Utah where a man and his son were

963
00:41:50,690 --> 00:41:47,579
in their driveway just kind of

964
00:41:53,150 --> 00:41:50,700
installing a stereo in his SUV and they

965
00:41:56,030 --> 00:41:53,160
noticed a large pack of coyotes in a

966
00:41:58,370 --> 00:41:56,040
field across the way and it started you

967
00:42:00,589 --> 00:41:58,380
know as usual the coyotes calling and

968
00:42:02,450 --> 00:42:00,599
making quite a bit of ruckus

969
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:02,460
um or as the book says all hell broke

970
00:42:07,490 --> 00:42:06,000
loose eventually and they also had orbs

971
00:42:09,650 --> 00:42:07,500
fly around their house but that was the

972
00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:09,660
next day I won't get ahead of myself and

973
00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:11,880
it seemed like something was tearing the

974
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,760
coyotes apart they all went into the

975
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:16,800
woods after a neighbor came out to kind

976
00:42:21,770 --> 00:42:19,680
of investigate and long story short they

977
00:42:25,130 --> 00:42:21,780
saw red glowing eyes

978
00:42:28,190 --> 00:42:25,140
how often have you come across stories

979
00:42:32,690 --> 00:42:28,200
or reports where these are seen you know

980
00:42:35,569 --> 00:42:32,700
those red glowing eyes or that eye shine

981
00:42:37,250 --> 00:42:35,579
a lot and and I've I've witnessed that

982
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:37,260
myself

983
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,079
at different places red eyes I don't you

984
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:42,000
know is it something bad I do I don't

985
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:45,599
know what for sure what it is yes I have

986
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:51,650
it is one of those things that you know

987
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:55,200
it it it's difficult because your your

988
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,079
immediate yeah the immediate feeling I

989
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:00,480
get is like whoa you know this is

990
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:03,839
something powerful but yeah is it bad is

991
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:05,280
it is it

992
00:43:12,290 --> 00:43:09,119
is is it a sign of something very very

993
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,300
uh very interesting to me that that some

994
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:14,640
of these accounts and you find this a

995
00:43:19,250 --> 00:43:16,560
lot with the Dogman accounts don't you

996
00:43:22,190 --> 00:43:19,260
the red glowing eyes and the Bigfoot

997
00:43:25,130 --> 00:43:22,200
right now when I saw the red glowing

998
00:43:27,230 --> 00:43:25,140
eyes trust me I didn't go toward it

999
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:27,240
usually I go towards something because I

1000
00:43:30,829 --> 00:43:29,040
want to talk to it I didn't go toward

1001
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:30,839
that I kept my distance

1002
00:43:36,650 --> 00:43:33,839
mm-hmm

1003
00:43:38,270 --> 00:43:36,660
yeah there is there is a lot there a lot

1004
00:43:40,609 --> 00:43:38,280
to unpack there because I know

1005
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:40,619
bigfooters run into it um a lot of

1006
00:43:46,609 --> 00:43:44,160
dogmen accounts and of course the Point

1007
00:43:48,190 --> 00:43:46,619
Pleasant Mothman accounts I think most

1008
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:48,200
of those had

1009
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,530
and um

1010
00:44:04,970 --> 00:44:00,109
another another interesting I thought

1011
00:44:07,370 --> 00:44:04,980
amazing and Well Done portion of uh the

1012
00:44:10,430 --> 00:44:07,380
investigation and research done in the

1013
00:44:12,829 --> 00:44:10,440
UNA Basin is you delve into the Prince

1014
00:44:15,770 --> 00:44:12,839
Hall Masons and the Buffalo Soldiers in

1015
00:44:17,690 --> 00:44:15,780
the Basin files and as many know Buffalo

1016
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:17,700
soldiers were given the duty of

1017
00:44:22,430 --> 00:44:20,160
overlooking uh Fort Duchesne that

1018
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:22,440
particular area in the basin

1019
00:44:28,010 --> 00:44:25,200
and there's been rumors that there are

1020
00:44:29,930 --> 00:44:28,020
unmarked Graves or etchings that the

1021
00:44:33,470 --> 00:44:29,940
Buffalo Soldiers made in that particular

1022
00:44:35,390 --> 00:44:33,480
area of the uuna Basin if there are any

1023
00:44:37,069 --> 00:44:35,400
unmarked Graves could that have

1024
00:44:39,650 --> 00:44:37,079
something to do with the overall High

1025
00:44:41,870 --> 00:44:39,660
strangeness in the area given your gift

1026
00:44:46,730 --> 00:44:41,880
have you had any views Beyond the Veil

1027
00:44:51,470 --> 00:44:49,309
somebody's grave us on mark that I don't

1028
00:44:54,050 --> 00:44:51,480
I don't think they're at rest

1029
00:44:56,510 --> 00:44:54,060
you know like my you know like my cousin

1030
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:56,520
when she says you know my grave is lost

1031
00:45:01,730 --> 00:44:59,040
I think they feel that way because other

1032
00:45:04,370 --> 00:45:01,740
people can go to Graves and put flowers

1033
00:45:06,170 --> 00:45:04,380
down or visit them and nobody even knows

1034
00:45:07,730 --> 00:45:06,180
these people are there there's probably

1035
00:45:09,950 --> 00:45:07,740
the grass grew over them and everything

1036
00:45:11,390 --> 00:45:09,960
like that that I don't think you know

1037
00:45:13,130 --> 00:45:11,400
that might be some of the people that

1038
00:45:15,470 --> 00:45:13,140
even are wandering the cemetery because

1039
00:45:19,130 --> 00:45:15,480
they're they're not so happy that their

1040
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,010
and that is so strange about the unrest

1041
00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:24,000
because you often see on graves you know

1042
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:26,280
rest in peace there's kind of that

1043
00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:29,280
closure but I can only imagine that if

1044
00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:31,560
there's no closure there would be kind

1045
00:45:35,450 --> 00:45:34,200
of this discrepancy in the force so to

1046
00:45:38,450 --> 00:45:35,460
speak where

1047
00:45:41,870 --> 00:45:38,460
you know things aren't right

1048
00:45:45,230 --> 00:45:41,880
and you know the the interesting thing

1049
00:45:47,450 --> 00:45:45,240
about that area southeast of Ballard and

1050
00:45:50,329 --> 00:45:47,460
basically you know all of the you in a

1051
00:45:52,250 --> 00:45:50,339
basin really I mean it's it's reputed

1052
00:45:55,370 --> 00:45:52,260
to be the site of so many different

1053
00:45:58,849 --> 00:45:55,380
paranormal and UFO related activities

1054
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:58,859
and there's so much Legend having to do

1055
00:46:05,809 --> 00:46:02,160
with Native Americans and you know

1056
00:46:09,290 --> 00:46:05,819
possibly concerning vengeful shamans and

1057
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:09,300
darker depths and possibly black magic

1058
00:46:15,970 --> 00:46:12,720
it is one of those areas I think in the

1059
00:46:21,230 --> 00:46:15,980
United States uh that's very unexplained

1060
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:21,240
and has a lot of mystery to it and the

1061
00:46:26,569 --> 00:46:24,240
just the amount of amount of reports

1062
00:46:29,390 --> 00:46:26,579
that were I I thought that you did a

1063
00:46:32,089 --> 00:46:29,400
really good job picking the reports you

1064
00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:32,099
did both from

1065
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:34,260
um you know previous reports such as

1066
00:46:38,750 --> 00:46:36,480
Junior Hicks and Frank Salisbury as well

1067
00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:38,760
as more recent reports that were in

1068
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:42,900
mufon and uh you're also a mufon member

1069
00:46:48,829 --> 00:46:45,599
correct have you come across anything

1070
00:46:51,050 --> 00:46:48,839
recently do you still keep in touch with

1071
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:51,060
a lot of those mufon reports that come

1072
00:46:54,530 --> 00:46:52,319
through

1073
00:46:56,329 --> 00:46:54,540
see that that's why I was able to get

1074
00:46:58,609 --> 00:46:56,339
such really good reports for the book

1075
00:47:01,010 --> 00:46:58,619
Because as a mufon member I can go into

1076
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:01,020
the files and find these that the

1077
00:47:03,710 --> 00:47:02,640
average person can't go to the website

1078
00:47:06,829 --> 00:47:03,720
and see

1079
00:47:08,990 --> 00:47:06,839
because I'm I'm actually a member there

1080
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:09,000
I haven't seen anything new lately but

1081
00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:11,280
you got to remember whatever is in mufon

1082
00:47:16,430 --> 00:47:14,760
is is what the public has given them

1083
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:16,440
refund doesn't go out and start looking

1084
00:47:21,950 --> 00:47:20,160
for things this is like a database

1085
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,960
because people will say well I don't I

1086
00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:23,280
don't see a whole lot of stuff on the

1087
00:47:28,430 --> 00:47:26,460
move on from my area because you didn't

1088
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,440
send him a message and say here's my

1089
00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:30,960
story they need more people to come

1090
00:47:37,370 --> 00:47:34,920
forward and say I saw this I saw that

1091
00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:37,380
because I'm sure in the Basin that

1092
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:39,540
there's so many more sightings that

1093
00:47:44,930 --> 00:47:42,000
nobody has ever reported to move on or

1094
00:47:48,050 --> 00:47:44,940
more of our family

1095
00:47:50,809 --> 00:47:48,060
you need to be more proactive here share

1096
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:50,819
your story nobody I like the thing about

1097
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:54,720
mufon nobody ever questions you makes

1098
00:47:57,950 --> 00:47:56,640
fun of you calls you crazy when you tell

1099
00:48:00,349 --> 00:47:57,960
a story

1100
00:48:02,750 --> 00:48:00,359
you you feel safe there when when I go

1101
00:48:04,730 --> 00:48:02,760
to mufon meetings it's a safe place we

1102
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:04,740
can all share stories

1103
00:48:09,530 --> 00:48:07,200
it's different than going to a

1104
00:48:11,930 --> 00:48:09,540
paranormal convention because some

1105
00:48:13,790 --> 00:48:11,940
people might go oh whatever I don't want

1106
00:48:16,730 --> 00:48:13,800
to hear your story but we like to hear

1107
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:16,740
each other's stories

1108
00:48:21,770 --> 00:48:19,440
yeah and I think you instinctually and

1109
00:48:25,609 --> 00:48:21,780
intuitively navigated that really well

1110
00:48:27,530 --> 00:48:25,619
in your books and it's super super fluid

1111
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:27,540
the way they come off

1112
00:48:33,050 --> 00:48:30,480
and in the Uintah Basin it's there's a

1113
00:48:35,690 --> 00:48:33,060
lot of a lot of interesting things that

1114
00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:35,700
take place such as you know the hanging

1115
00:48:39,250 --> 00:48:37,560
of animal skins on neighboring

1116
00:48:44,809 --> 00:48:39,260
properties to

1117
00:48:47,390 --> 00:48:44,819
ward off uh I guess these dark Forces

1118
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:47,400
um according to many neighbors and

1119
00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:49,440
there's there's a lot of cultural

1120
00:48:56,930 --> 00:48:53,400
history kind of linking it with

1121
00:49:00,530 --> 00:48:56,940
previous Native inhabitances Native

1122
00:49:02,690 --> 00:49:00,540
inhabitants and the instances that they

1123
00:49:05,870 --> 00:49:02,700
you know verbally have

1124
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:05,880
told from generation to generation and

1125
00:49:10,670 --> 00:49:07,920
it's gone back as near as anyone can

1126
00:49:13,390 --> 00:49:10,680
tell at least 15 generations of this

1127
00:49:17,410 --> 00:49:13,400
this High strangeness and this phenomena

1128
00:49:21,530 --> 00:49:17,420
it's it's pretty uh it's pretty amazing

1129
00:49:23,809 --> 00:49:21,540
and in your opinion the hanging of these

1130
00:49:27,410 --> 00:49:23,819
pelts for example on neighboring

1131
00:49:30,109 --> 00:49:27,420
properties to keep whatever it is in

1132
00:49:31,010 --> 00:49:30,119
is that something you've come across in

1133
00:49:34,010 --> 00:49:31,020
other

1134
00:49:37,010 --> 00:49:34,020
research at all

1135
00:49:39,230 --> 00:49:37,020
no I haven't and I I asked my my friend

1136
00:49:41,450 --> 00:49:39,240
who is

1137
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:41,460
what this meant when I was writing the

1138
00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:44,160
book I said what does this mean

1139
00:49:48,170 --> 00:49:47,160
and she's and she says uh well that like

1140
00:49:50,089 --> 00:49:48,180
you said

1141
00:49:53,390 --> 00:49:50,099
it's it's not to

1142
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:53,400
worn off anything else it's to keep the

1143
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,200
Skin Walkers she told me it's to keep

1144
00:49:59,870 --> 00:49:57,359
the Skin Walkers in

1145
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:59,880
so they don't come to their property

1146
00:50:03,710 --> 00:50:01,440
and she really

1147
00:50:05,210 --> 00:50:03,720
doesn't like to talk about skin workers

1148
00:50:06,589 --> 00:50:05,220
because the navajos really don't like to

1149
00:50:09,050 --> 00:50:06,599
talk about it

1150
00:50:10,910 --> 00:50:09,060
and outside she just she told me a story

1151
00:50:12,890 --> 00:50:10,920
about a month ago she says I've never

1152
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:12,900
told anybody this before

1153
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:15,119
I don't know why I'm telling you this

1154
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:18,480
and she used to live on a reservation in

1155
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:22,319
New Mexico when she was a child and they

1156
00:50:28,370 --> 00:50:25,680
had a one-room house they lived in

1157
00:50:30,770 --> 00:50:28,380
and so she says all all their beds were

1158
00:50:32,990 --> 00:50:30,780
together on the same wall

1159
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:33,000
and she looked out the window one night

1160
00:50:38,690 --> 00:50:35,280
and you've seen the picture of of the

1161
00:50:41,450 --> 00:50:38,700
skin marker with the skins on

1162
00:50:42,890 --> 00:50:41,460
and on black you know black tar on I

1163
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:42,900
know it's not tar it's it's called

1164
00:50:49,309 --> 00:50:46,079
something else she told me what it was

1165
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:49,319
and she described it that's what she saw

1166
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:53,040
and she says that I was so scared and I

1167
00:50:57,770 --> 00:50:56,160
I wanted to reach over and grab my

1168
00:50:59,690 --> 00:50:57,780
father's hand to wake him up but I

1169
00:51:01,309 --> 00:50:59,700
couldn't move my hand and I couldn't

1170
00:51:03,890 --> 00:51:01,319
call out to him because I couldn't speak

1171
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:03,900
it had me paralyzed it was staring at me

1172
00:51:08,510 --> 00:51:06,480
and I was paralyzed and all I could do

1173
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:08,520
was watch it looking at my family and

1174
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:11,280
didn't know what it was going to do

1175
00:51:14,990 --> 00:51:13,440
so the next morning she forgot all about

1176
00:51:16,370 --> 00:51:15,000
it right because she's a kid and she's

1177
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,380
sitting at the table with her coloring

1178
00:51:20,329 --> 00:51:18,480
books and her father

1179
00:51:22,190 --> 00:51:20,339
comes in the house and says don't

1180
00:51:24,770 --> 00:51:22,200
anybody go outside and he grabbed a

1181
00:51:25,970 --> 00:51:24,780
shotgun and went outside and yeah she's

1182
00:51:27,470 --> 00:51:25,980
just in her coloring book she didn't

1183
00:51:29,450 --> 00:51:27,480
know what's going on

1184
00:51:31,849 --> 00:51:29,460
and he comes back in and his wife says

1185
00:51:34,370 --> 00:51:31,859
what's wrong what's wrong and he said

1186
00:51:37,069 --> 00:51:34,380
the the next door neighbor got killed by

1187
00:51:41,150 --> 00:51:37,079
a skinwalker last night

1188
00:51:44,569 --> 00:51:43,370
and if you've ever watched the show dark

1189
00:51:47,390 --> 00:51:44,579
whims

1190
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:47,400
that was on yeah have you seen it

1191
00:51:56,750 --> 00:51:51,119
absolutely yeah I absolutely love it

1192
00:52:00,589 --> 00:51:59,030
she was a skin marker

1193
00:52:02,210 --> 00:52:00,599
that's the first time I've seen

1194
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:02,220
something like that portrayed on

1195
00:52:08,809 --> 00:52:04,079
television

1196
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:13,490
and I I know that it is such a deep and

1197
00:52:18,650 --> 00:52:15,839
dark rabbit hole and it is scary and if

1198
00:52:21,170 --> 00:52:18,660
anybody has not seen that I think dark

1199
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:21,180
winds I believe you can get it on Prime

1200
00:52:28,010 --> 00:52:23,520
and some other areas

1201
00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:31,190
it right they do a great job and I I

1202
00:52:35,569 --> 00:52:33,720
love that you know hillerman does a

1203
00:52:37,069 --> 00:52:35,579
great job too all of his books are just

1204
00:52:38,809 --> 00:52:37,079
amazing yeah

1205
00:52:41,930 --> 00:52:38,819
um lastly I know that you have to get

1206
00:52:44,030 --> 00:52:41,940
going but you delve so deeply into this

1207
00:52:46,010 --> 00:52:44,040
stuff and it's so amazing

1208
00:52:48,109 --> 00:52:46,020
and

1209
00:52:49,849 --> 00:52:48,119
um there you've had extended

1210
00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:49,859
conversations with a lot of people

1211
00:52:55,250 --> 00:52:52,440
involved with the Uinta Basin you've

1212
00:52:58,010 --> 00:52:55,260
gone there various times and you're

1213
00:53:01,549 --> 00:52:58,020
involved to some extent with a team

1214
00:53:05,390 --> 00:53:01,559
that's quite forthcoming and they are

1215
00:53:08,809 --> 00:53:05,400
investigating and uh basically

1216
00:53:11,690 --> 00:53:08,819
a unique piece of property uh and and

1217
00:53:13,490 --> 00:53:11,700
they're also televising a lot of the

1218
00:53:15,890 --> 00:53:13,500
things that are quite forthright about

1219
00:53:18,170 --> 00:53:15,900
what they're finding this alleged

1220
00:53:20,329 --> 00:53:18,180
paranormal hotspot is not just an

1221
00:53:23,150 --> 00:53:20,339
alleged area anymore in your opinion

1222
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:23,160
it's the real deal correct

1223
00:53:28,250 --> 00:53:26,400
it absolutely is absolutely yes yes

1224
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:28,260
thank you so much for coming on the

1225
00:53:34,730 --> 00:53:31,440
podcast and I can't thank you enough

1226
00:53:37,010 --> 00:53:34,740
um for all your literary offerings and

1227
00:53:39,290 --> 00:53:37,020
for to those of us with similar

1228
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:39,300
interests and viewpoints you have an

1229
00:53:44,930 --> 00:53:42,480
amazing story amazing experiences Cheryl

1230
00:53:47,450 --> 00:53:44,940
where can people find more of Cheryl

1231
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:47,460
Carter and support your efforts and buy

1232
00:53:52,490 --> 00:53:49,440
your books

1233
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:52,500
okay I'm on Facebook I also have a

1234
00:53:56,410 --> 00:53:53,760
website

1235
00:53:59,690 --> 00:53:56,420
Cheryl and carter.com real easy to find

1236
00:54:01,730 --> 00:53:59,700
my books are on Amazon if you would like

1237
00:54:03,890 --> 00:54:01,740
a signed copy I have books here just

1238
00:54:06,109 --> 00:54:03,900
message me through Messenger on Facebook

1239
00:54:08,750 --> 00:54:06,119
and I can send one to you

1240
00:54:10,130 --> 00:54:08,760
I always enjoy talking to Cheryl Cheryl

1241
00:54:12,890 --> 00:54:10,140
is great

1242
00:54:15,950 --> 00:54:12,900
go to her website purchase her books and

1243
00:54:17,930 --> 00:54:15,960
support her efforts until next time keep

1244
00:54:20,270 --> 00:54:17,940
your eyes to the skies feet on the

1245
00:54:29,950 --> 00:54:20,280
ground but don't forget to take a look

1246
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,350
thank you

1247
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:37,089
[Music]

1248
00:54:43,329 --> 00:54:41,030
come Blast Off In My Time Machine sir I

1249
00:54:47,630 --> 00:54:43,339
feel like a Nevis

1250
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:53,750
come Blast Off In My Time Machine